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Saturday, March 26, 2005

Becoming an Editor

Because it comes up frequently in my various editorial forums, I've decided to put all the tips I have for breaking into the editorial profession in one place.

Disclaimer: Because there’s no single definable path to professional editorship, it’s entirely possible that none of these observations or tips apply to your situation. I’m writing from my experience. Please feel free to add your own in the comments.

I asked the same question, back when I was trying to figure out what to do with myself. I was sitting having a coffee with a friend who was a freelance editor, and asked her "So, if I were to want to become an editor, how would I go about it?"

She replied "Well, there’s no real way to become an editor. You do some editing, and eventually you hang out your shingle and say 'I’m an editor!' and people give you work."

I didn’t find this at all reassuring. I wanted a clear path—something like "get a junior job at a publisher, and start off proofreading, or counting words, or something, and you’ll get to watch Real Editors at Work, and learn." I still think it would be nice if it worked that way. I’m told in some cases it does. But for every editor I meet who found an entry-level job at a publisher, and followed a clear path, I meet at least a dozen others whose paths, like my friend’s, and like my own, weren’t that direct.

As I went about becoming an editor, I learned the truth behind what sounded like truly Belgian waffling to me when my friend said it: There’s no way a person becomes an editor. One simply decides that one is, and sets about doing it.

That said, some combination of the following seems to happen to most people I know who end up earning a living editing:

1. Discovery of Predilection
Editors like to read. They groove on language, punctuation, and words. Thus, they read voraciously and critically. They notice shifts in language. They wince when they see an apostrophe abused. They abhor an unnecessary passive. However, not all grammarians are editors. Editing demands a flexible approach to language and an understanding of more than when one might employ a subjunctive. Most people I know who work as editors found, even before they got paid for doing it, that they really couldn’t not edit. What some of us had to learn was when to curb our inner prescriptivist.

2. Formal Education
Most editors do not hold degrees in Publishing, Editing, or anything clearly related to the trade. In Canada, some may hold certificates or have taken courses related to the profession.

Many editors hold university degrees; however, it’s not strictly necessary to have a bachelor’s in anything. An English degree is no better preparation for a career in editing than a degree in math, French, or Latin. (In fact, a senior editor of my acquaintance insists that many English majors are ruined for freelance editorial work by too much acquaintance with and admiration for Literature. If your definition of good writing extends only to literary writing, then you may not have what it takes to edit a corporate annual report. But I digress.) These days, neophyte editors who don’t hold a degree may find themselves at a disadvantage applying for in-house jobs. For freelance work, however, you really need only the ability to do the work, and to convince people to let you do it. If you can edit cleanly and well, nobody’s going to care that you don’t have a degree.

3. Informal Education
Most editors are lifelong learners and tend towards polymathematicism. All the successful editors I know read widely, and know about a lot of stuff, much of it irrelevant to their formal training. They also tend to be curious, and to have well developed critical research skills.

4. Training Programs (Postsecondary)
A few colleges and universities offer courses and programmes in publishing and editing. Here in Canada, there are at least three book publishing programmes in post-secondary institutions in Toronto, Simon Fraser University offers a Master's degree in publishing, and the renowned Banff Summer Publishing Workshop is reputed to be a cushy publishing boot camp. Among the Toronto-based publishing courses are Ryerson University’s Certificate in Book Publishing, which offers many of its course online, Centennial College's one-year certificate in book and magazine publishing, Humber College's certificate in creative book publishing, and George Brown College's certificate in editing.

In addition to editing and publishing programmes and seminars, courses in business communications, grammar, technical writing, and journalism may provide some exposure to the editorial toolbox.

5. Mentoring
This might be the oldest recognized step on the editorial career path: the young editor finds an experienced editor whom he or she respects, and somehow inveigles this paragon into teaching him or her how to work the necessary magic on the text. If one is fortunate enough to already know editors, this step is vastly easier. Having an experienced, skilled editor go through the material you think you’ve cleaned up and point out any refuse you left behind can be a humbling, but very effective, training exercise.

6. Internships
Many publishers, newspapers, and magazines offer unpaid or poorly paid internships to would-be incumbents to the field. Some internships are linked to training programs—for the last month or so of their training, students are placed in a real-world environment and put to work. Others are more ad-hoc—the employer posts an internship and considers all comers. Internships can provide would-be editors with valuable experience, but too often employers seem to view their interns as free labour, and use them to operate the photocopiers, with little or no consideration for the intern’s goals or training. Several former interns of my acquaintance have complained that they gave their publishers three months’ work, and never got closer to editorial work than photocopying manuscripts to send for review. Others have reported more useful experiences, writing cover copy, marking up manuscripts, preparing art logs and photo manuscripts, reading slush, and preparing catalogue copy, in addition to operating the photocopier, running errands, and preparing courier packages.

Internships are open only to those who have some other means of support—most internships require the intern to work full-time hours for between three and six months, for no pay or for a token honorarium. Some offer minimal wages. As with full-time training program, this is all very well if one doesn’t need to eat or pay rent, and I do know several interns who supported themselves by working part time, but working full-time hours for less than full-time wages is certainly not an easy road, nor is it one that is open to everyone.

I successfully avoided an internship, mostly because I couldn’t afford to do one, and also because I refused to accept that I should volunteer full-time for three months in order to qualify for the privilege of being paid to do the same work; however, many in the industry insist that an internship (or two or three) represents an invaluable experience, and is the only way to get in the door.

7. Wriggling in Through Any Crack You Can Find
As I understand it, back in the good old days of more publishing houses, more money, and just plain abundance, a hopeful young wordsmith might fall into an job as an assistant or member of the clerical staff at a publishing house, and one of the editors would notice that young hopeful’s way with his or her semi-colons and become a mentor to the young editor. This does still seem to happen—several colleagues seem to have worked their way into editorial jobs from the reception desk or the warehouse floor. The trick seems to be not being proud or holding out for an editorial job, since those often require some editorial experience, learning what you can learn wherever you wind up, and keeping your eye on your eventual goal, while doing a good job at whatever job you have taken.

I went from temping to a research job at a map publisher’s, where I did very little editorial work, but was around production schedules, proofs, and in a sort-of publishing environment. All this time, I was volunteering with the Editors' Association of Canada, meeting editors and taking seminars, as well as attending night school at Ryerson (the book publishing programme mentioned above). Ryerson had a job listing service for students in the program, and eventually a posting for a position as an editorial assistant at an educational publisher came into my inbox. I got the six-month contract, and spent six months photocopying, collating, preparing courier packages, preparing art manuscripts, processing invoices, photocopying, and hating almost every minute of it, but gaining "valuable in-house experience."

Meanwhile I continued to volunteer for the Editors’ Association, organizing their professional development seminars. This put me into contact with a lot of editors at different stages of their career paths. Eventually one of these contacts up and offered me a job, doing real editorial work, where I was able to gain more experience with different types of publications, schedules, and editorial needs, while getting some real training.

I think, in general, some combination of editorial training (formal or informal); networking (i.e., meeting other editors and industry folks, which can be a lot of fun); volunteer editorial work (for a literary group or association, a not-for-profit, or a school or college publication); and taking whatever job will get you closer to the job you want has proved a moderately successful recipe. Of course, there’s one other ingredient: actual editorial ability.

35 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some things I know:

There's a great deal of variation in the quality of publishing programs. I don't know how much good any of them really do. What they chiefly signify is that the job applicant intends to work in publishing, rather than seeing it as an interesting thing to do while thinking about one's real career.

(That last thing? I've actually had people say that when I was interviewing them for a job.)

Was it just the old days when you could wriggle in through a crack? I must have missed the memo. Last I heard, most jobs in publishing were still being filled via word of mouth. "Get connected, keep your ears open, and tell EVERYONE that you're looking for a job in publishing" is still good advice.

Don't take a job just to have one. Find out how publishing is structured, and figure out which area you want to work in. If you don't want to wind up in magazine production, don't start there.

If you want to work in trade publishing, only right now you're finishing college, and you have to choose between (1.) a part-time job working in a bookstore, or (2.) working on your college literary magazine, take the job in the bookstore. You'll learn more, the experience is more generally useful, and fewer applicants will have done it.

When it's time to get a job, go all the way: move to NYC. The industry's still here, and so are the good entry-level and mid-level jobs.

All NYC job agencies will say they can get you a job in the industry, but the Lynn Palmer Agency is the one to go to. They're a bit brusque. Get used to it.

Make sure you give them a clear, straightforward resume, not too padded, that's organized chronologically by job. Make the facts sound good, but stick to the facts.

Learn to type. Be prepared to do clerical work, committedly and well.

One of the better articles I've seen on getting a job in the industry can be found here.

Cheers --

Teresa Nielsen Hayden
http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/

12:52 PM, April 20, 2005  
Blogger jennie said...

Thanks Teresa—you've filled in some of my more gaping gaps.

I know that my publishing program gave me a handle on the lingo, and a broad enough overview of the publishing process for me not to make some of the more common gaffes. My copy-editing course provided a thorough overview of most of what a copy editor should know; I learned more from trying to apply it on-the-job (I wouldn't have liked to have started copy editing without having taken the course, but I think actually applying what I was supposed to have learned taught me as much as the class hours did, if that makes any sense at all.)

I hadn't addressed the U.S. industry at all in this post—most of the editors I work with haven't moved to New York. Most don't work exclusively in book publishing either. In Canada, it's possible to work in Canadian publishing without moving to Toronto, although 'most everyone I know who is making a living in books has worked in Toronto (except for the French-language people in Québec, of course).

Agencies really get people work in publishing? Wow. I don't think I know anyone who's used an agency to fill an editorial job. In Toronto, publishers tend to use former interns, or broadcast jobs with the Editors' Association, the publishing programs, and vary occasionally on job boards. Of course, it's a much smaller pool here—sooner or later, most of the fish know where to look for guppies (does that metaphor work? Never mind.). Why pay an agency?

As for "an interesting thing to do while thinking about one's real career," I've heard variants on that. We also frequently get people at the Editors' Association who think editing might be kinda fun to do, part-time, when they retire. Some of them do get some freelance editorial work. Most of them vanish after a year, when HarperCollins, M&S, and House of Anansi haven't beat down their doors.

5:50 PM, April 20, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Er, that's "1. Discovery of Predilection", no?

Thanks for the thoughtful advice.

--Ellen Seebacher, here from COPYEDITING-L

7:02 PM, May 19, 2005  
Blogger jennie said...

Gulp! You're absolutely correct.

Drat!

Fixed now, and another word added to my Difficult Words list. Thanks.

11:23 AM, May 21, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In number 5. Mentoring, traning should be training. Otherwise i need to figure out what traning is! :)

3:52 PM, November 28, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another word to add to your difficult words lists: reMUNeration. It seems like it ought to be reNUMeration, since it has to do with NUMbers, but it actually has to do with MUNny ($). So remember MUNny, not NUMbers.

10:01 PM, January 08, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

for my science class i am writing about beecoming an editor....thank you, this website really helped :)

2:10 PM, April 15, 2007  
Blogger jennie said...

Hi Anonymous,

You're writing about becoming an editor for science class? Fascinating! What's the connection? (Scientific publications do get edited, of course—at least one hopes they do—but editing is generally seen as more of a career path for English classes.)

Of course, as I said above, you don't need an English degree. You need a facility with written English, a mind for details, and a love of language and writing.

3:20 PM, April 15, 2007  
Anonymous editer2b said...

So, would you say that it is best to get a defree or not? I want to work in a company and then eventually own my own. but of course I'm only 14 so I might change my mind, but I doubt ti. It's the closest thing to getting paid for reading a book that I can find. also I want to write books, so would I send those books into a company that I would be working for or not?

7:01 PM, September 11, 2007  
Blogger jennie said...

Hi editor2b,

In general, when I was hiring editors, I preferred to see candidates who had university or college degrees. This is not to say that it's impossible to become an editor without a degree—some very highly regarded editors don't have them—but as a rule, I found that candidates without university degrees often lacked the research and critical thinking skills I expected from the editors working for me. It doesn't seem to matter what kind of degree, for the most part—what I was looking for was the familiarity with research and writing and logic that most professors expect.

A love of books is important in an editor; equally important is a love of language and the way language works. Many editors do not end up editing the kinds of books you buy in bookstores: I mostly edit textbooks, for example, and I have colleagues who edit reference books, technical manuals, websites, and all manner of other communications material. If you think you want to work in book publishing, right now you want to be reading everything, and really working on your writing skills. Eventually, you'll probably want to work in a bookstore to get a sense of what the public likes in books and how that end of the business works.

It is rare for people to have their own works published by the publishing houses for which they work. Some publishing houses (these are most often publishers of non-fiction) use editors or staff writers as ghost-writers for their books, but in these cases, the publisher will usually assign the book to a specific person. In general, editors who also write submit their manuscripts to other editors.

11:32 AM, September 12, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello!
I just wanted to say that this site has been a huge help to me and was just what I was looking for!

I'm looking into book editorial and publishing careers and trying to find out what you would need to study for this line of work. I'm only a grade 11 student in high school and looking to go in this general direction of things. I believe if I try to find out what I would need to be successful later on NOW, then it may be somewhat easier if I’m prepared for later, though I’m sure it will be just as tough. It's hard, trying to choose a career already but I know this is the type of work I'd love to get into. I do, of course, need many pointers and tips in what I can do to help my chances of succeeding in this field and hope I will be able to find those with their own personal experiences like you, and others with advice.

I'm not experienced at all, not even having a job yet, (Though I plan to apply for the Chapters bookstore as soon as possible) but reading is my absolute passion. I want to say thank-you again for the tips on your great site and information and if you have any other helpful sites, links, books, experience and tips it would be GREATLY appreciated.

Thank-you so much,
Ally

9:03 PM, February 14, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd love to edit on the side as a hobby and to bring in a little extra income. I recently edited a book for a technical IT topic. I did it on a volunteer basis, sending my notes via email to the writer.

Is there a way to get part time editing deals that can be done over the Internet? I'm willing to edit anything -- textbooks, manuals, and any topic. But I'm not trying to "break into the industry" or have a career change, so don't really want to go the route of extensive networking and jockeying for a sweet job. Just one-off editing projects.

Software programmers have rent-a-coder. Anything like that for editors?

11:35 PM, April 28, 2008  
Blogger jennie said...

Hi Anonymous Would-Be Part-Time Editor,

I'm sure there are ways of securing the odd freelance contract over the internet, but I don't know what they are.

If you're considering trying to earn money as a professional editor, even on a part-time basis, I suggest that you take the time to study the publishing process and learn standard editorial practice (beyond simply returning comments to the author via e-mail, which is part of what editors do, but not the total, by any means). Different sorts of publications have different expectations from their editors, but there are some fairly standard expectations among professionals.

I knew someone once who used a site for connecting editors with people needing editors, but I don't remember what site it was. He had to pay a fee for a listing, IIRC, and I don't think publishers used the service, so much as individuals needing editing for their professional or academic work.

Most publishers for whom I've worked expect that, while a freelancer is doing a book for them, they'll be working more-or-less full-time on that book or project. When I've freelanced, I've often had to devote more than 8 hours/day to the project at hand, for the duration of the project.

12:23 PM, May 05, 2008  
Blogger jennie said...

Oh, hey, I missed responding to Ally. So sorry Ally!

Most of the people I know who work as editors have some sort of undergraduate degree, as well as some sort of training in editorial work. The kind of undergraduate degree you pursue can affect the kind of editorial work you end up doing, or it may have no bearing at all, depending on a bunch of other factors, such as where you manage to get job experience, where your talent and passions lie, and just what's out there.

If you're in grade 11 or 12 right now, and thinking of going to university, I'd suggest doing everything Teresa Nielsen Hayden says in the first comment here. I'd also suggest going to university, and studying something that makes you really, really interested and passionate. If possible, take as broad a spectrum of courses as you can, too. Editors need to know about everything, even if they only know a little about something, or where to find out more. If you want to work in trade books, do try to find work at a bookstore—even Chapters, even if it's only for the summer. If you're thinking that the exciting world of textbook publishing might be more up your alley, then consider getting some experience as a tutor or teaching assistant. If you think you want to go into magazines or journalism, university newspapers can help you discover whether you have the skills and whether that sort of writing and editing is something you enjoy doing.

12:33 PM, May 05, 2008  
Blogger Emily said...

Hey,

Your blog has been a help to me. I'm still really lost though. I love reading and I'm one of those people who get mad when I find a misspelled word or improper grammer. I'm always reading and finding more things to read. People know me as the girl with the book. I also enjoy writing, any type. I just finished high school and I have decided I want to be a copyeditor. It just comes natural to me although I'm not really sure how to go about starting. So far I got find a job like a book store and collage is not a necessity but helpfull. What type of classes do you suggest I take? Is majoring in English a bad idea?

Thanks,
Emily
from Florida

2:38 PM, May 14, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for this blog. It may not be the correct and absolute way of becoming an editor, but it has helped with a lot of questions that I had. I am in college hoping to become an editor and you cannot just go into a book store and pick up "Be an Editor for Dummies". It is hard to get some straight advice from people, or even counselors, on the way to get your foot in the door. The is a straight path the students take to become teachers or doctors, but when it comes to editing or photography, or something that veers of that path, they don't know what to tell you.

So thank you for this helpful advice.

2:25 PM, June 18, 2008  
Anonymous Taryn said...

I am an aspiring author of fiction. However, just in case I don't rocket imediatly onto the best sellers list I would like to earn a living doing something else I enjoy that is still related to books. (I don't know if that would qualify under editing while working on my real career or not) I am considering the goal of editing but I'm not sure. Right now I'm at a cummunity college. Would it be better if I transfered before graduating? Also if I am unable to get a job at a bookstore would volunteering at a library or non-profit used bookstore be of any help? If anyone has any sugestions they would be greatly apreciated.

11:47 AM, July 08, 2008  
Blogger tvore said...

Finally figured it out at 43....

I enjoyed your article immensely! I finally figured out what I wanted to do/be when I grew up - only took me 43 years! Sad? Perhaps, but my children came first and as only any good mother does, I put their needs ahead of mine and gave no thought to what I actually wanted. Now both are in college (one finally graduating in the Spring) so after much thought and evaluation of what my skills and interests are, I believe editing would be the best fit for me. I LOVE to read, am always in the middle of a good book, and have been researching what it takes to ACTUALLY succeed at an editing position. In my current job I write many reports, etc, (I won't bore you with the specifics) but am frequently called upon by colleagues to "edit" their letters, reports, etc., for content, spelling, sentence structure and anything else required to make words on a page make sense to the reader! Anyway, my question is a little out of the ordinary...am I too old to consider this particular career change? Everything I've read seems geared toward the college student - not someone my age. I've read you DO need an English degree, you DON'T need an English degree, you NEED to move to NYC, you can edit from Anywhere, USA (I happen to live in the Midwest of the US), you need to become and intern, you don't need to become an intern....A little confusing to say the very least?! Also, I would prefer to read manuscripts (non-fiction) to decide whether or not to publish. Is this grandiose thinking or are there actually positions available to those who ONLY want to read, not necessarily make sure the text is grammatically correct? Any advice you give will be greatly appreciated.

Thank You!

9:30 PM, August 22, 2008  
Blogger Katie said...

I really love the idea of being an editor for dummies. I imagine it would make finding work much easier.

However, I suspect you were referencing the popular series of how-to, DIY-style books. Shame.

11:46 AM, September 01, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you so much for this blog. Although pursuing a career in editing is intimidating, these tips have been reassuring.

Somewhat tangentially, I believe it's "many of its courses online" in "4. Training Programs (Postsecondary)." It's a petty pluralization.

For some time now, I've been unsure of what my "soul mate" career is. I can't say that editing is it, but the possibility makes me salivate.

I'm an undergraduate student in NYC. If having innumerable interests is a desirable quality, count me in: I was pre-med while pursuing a degree in Comparative Literature (between English and Spanish) and a degree in Music (geared toward the theoretical aspect more than the performance aspect). I dropped the pre-med gig, and I've been oscillating between the other two disciplines ever since.

Above everything though, I know I love literature, and grammar, and the nuances of language. I think the possibilities of English (and of any language, really) are limitless. Still, I can't help but wonder where I go from there.

Is it beneficial and/or worthwhile to pursue a master's or a doctorate in some area concerning literature or publishing? Should I finish my Bachelor of Arts and get started as soon as possible, at any place that will hire me? How will I know when/if I'm good enough? Needless to say, I'm afraid of having confidence in abilities that aren't there.

(I feel pretty lost.)

Anyway, thank you for any advice you can manage. And most importantly, thank you for the advice you've already given to me and to so many others.

10:20 PM, October 02, 2008  
Blogger jennie said...

Hi Anonymous,

In my experience in Canadian publishing (and I mostly work in textbooks), you don't need a master's or doctorate in publishing. A degree in something publishing-related might give you an overall understanding of the publishing industry, but I have my doubts.

I would say that it's wise to finish your undergrad. If you feel passionate about studying further, do a master's in whatever makes you passionate. If you want to see what the industry is like, take your degree, and find some way to learn about the book industry. As TNH said, upthread, if you want to work in trade—making the kind of books that people want to read—then you're better off getting bookselling experience. If you think you want to try textbooks, then find a toehold with an educational publisher. Certainly find somewhere to learn about professional copyediting and about the publishing process—a hands-on editing course from a well regarded college or university will give you many more directly relevant skills than will a masters or doctorate in publishing studies.

It's difficult to say what you should do when you graduate: one school of thought says "take the first editorial-type job you can get"; the other says "keep working at that bookseller while you hone your understanding of book sales, and find an entry-level position doing what you want."

I went the first route, which is how I wound up making textbooks. Some days I wish I'd held out for a job in fiction. Other days, I'm excited about grade 8 science. I think what's right for you depends on the strength and direction of your passions (are you more passionate about literature or about clear writing? Do quality educational materials make you happy, or will you be happy only if you can work on novels?) and on your circumstances—I wanted to be working an editorial job more than I wanted to wait for a fiction opening; I didn't want to move from Toronto to NYC (and I'm not eligible to work in the States), and I couldn't afford to take an internship, so I went with the first open job in educational publishing. Your circumstances and preferences may differ.

Good luck!

3:38 PM, October 03, 2008  
Blogger Lin said...

Hi, I am very lost as to what I want to do career-wise. I am currently a sophomore in college and up until the middle of this semester I was headed toward a psychobiology major- darn chemistry! but I dont think I really want to do science anyway. More recently I've discovered my love for reading, I literally can't put a book down. This sounds like a good thing, but it actually hinders my studies and other aspects of life haha.
Everyone keeps asking me what my interests are and what I want do with the rest of my life, but I have no answers to give them. When i close my eyes the only apparent interest I see that I have is in reading books, but have no idea what to do with that. Beyond that I am lost as to what I want. However, when I am reading, if there are any spelling, grammatical, etc. mistakes it drives me crazy! It literally pulls me out of my concentration and I want to grab a pen and fix it.
So, I think I have an interest in editing, but I don't know how to go about doing it. I come from a professional family, my father is a doctor, many lawyers in my family, teachers etc. So I only know of those careers with a direct path as some of you mentioned previously. Hmm, I completely lost my train of thought and the purpose of my comment- thanks for the tips, but does anyone have anymore suggestions as to what my next step should be? I can't take off full time to work in an internship and I have absolutely no experience in anything, so how am I supposed to get hired? I'm 19 and the only job I've had was working in a summer camp 5 years ago. Also, how am I supposed to know if I even have a 'knack' for editing and that sort of thing?
If anyone has any suggestions I'd really appreciate it, sorry if my thoughts went off track, they tend to do that :)

-Lindsay

7:00 AM, October 26, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi,
I love to read but I am not very good at grammar and I don't really enjoy it. But I can't seem to find any other career that is interesting to me. Everyone I talk to says to follow my passions and I will find something I love, well I love to read so I thought maybe editing would be a good career. But the grammar thing is really bothering me, any advice?

7:27 PM, December 12, 2008  
Blogger jennie said...

To the anonymous person who isn't very good at grammar:

There are editorial jobs for which a thorough grasp of grammar is less important: developmental editors working in textbooks, for example, are often more content specialists than grammar experts, and rely on copyeditors to make sure the grammar is correct.

That said, I would strongly recommend familiarizing yourself with the basics of English grammar, if you truly wish to pursue a career in editing. Even if you don't know the finer points of the distributive plural or future contrary-to-fact conditions, it's a good idea to be familiar with how sentences come together. You'll be much better able to work effectively in any editorial job if you can work competently and confidently with language.

Words and the ways that we arrange them are the tools of the editor's trade, not knowing how to use them correctly is akin to trying to build a boathouse without quite knowing how to use hammer, nails, saw, set square, and the other tools of the builder's trade.

12:27 PM, December 16, 2008  
Blogger jennie said...

Lindsay,

I'd suggest looking into a co-op term or a summer position in some sort of communications or publishing environment, where you have the opportunity to work with wordsmiths, and get an idea for what is involved in creating professional communications materials. If you're at college, take courses that interest you and that will give you the opportunity to read and write a lot.

I know someone who got really good training working for his college newspaper; I didn't go that route, because I was more interested in ancient history than in current events, in those days.

If you can take a grammar course, make sure you do. It will come in handy.

And think, now, about where you might want to be. At this stage in your life, I'd suggest getting as much experience in as many different editorial and communications environments, both volunteer and paid, as you can, so that you'll get a clearer idea of what you like and what you hate. It's easier to switch paths now, when you're 19, than when you're 30 and have finally figured out that you don't want to be editing annual reports (for example) for the rest of your life, but don't have the background in, say, magazines, to switch to anything but an entry-level job in that world.

12:34 PM, December 16, 2008  
Blogger d said...

jennie,

first I must echo nearly everyone on this page in saying thank you! it is a wonderful feeling to google rather blindly "how to become an editor" and find, among the few worthy links, a page that is as encouraging and helpful as yours.

I am a 27 year-old finishing late a degree in journalism & media studies, and though I detest the rigidity of this field (the inverted pyramid, the unyieldingly compact nutgraph!) and swore I would never go into real newspaper journalism, the exactitude of editing fascinates me! I am very creative, and though not TOO lazy, the thought of writing, being a writer; churning out hundreds of frenzied inspired pages, with great discipline and a deadline--terrifies me. the thought of shaping that writing, of calmly guiding it into a better structure, of developing and casting it into new channels, fills me with bliss!

anyway, to get to my questions--I've heard that one of the best things you can do when going for an editing career in the states (besides moving to NYC) is to attend a publishing course. Denver and NYC have two of the most-renowned. would you recommend something like that?

also, how DO you "get connected?" I have no real writing/editing experience other than my journal and classmates' papers. I am more passionate about clear writing than literature (I can always read lit before I go to bed each night!)--and being able to perfect text. I would take any kind of writing on to edit!

where, too, would I begin to look for entry-level editing jobs? I would think at my age, and finally with a degree, working in a bookstore would be too menial. craigslist? monster.com? the publishing world, seems like a vast, closed arena full of portfolio-professionals. I have no portfolio--but I'd desperately like to know how to start creating one!

again, thank you! I would also like to know that someday I can help young people like myself now, scared of the unknown and uncertain of "making it" but too passionate and brave to give up!!

11:00 PM, January 04, 2009  
Anonymous Violet said...

Thank you for writing such a helpful article. So much of the advice out there is either blindly optimistic or horribly pessimistic but the tone of this piece was realistic and encouraging. I am glad that you offer options instead of rules because I've found that there's a bit too much 'you must'/'you can't'/'don't even think about' elsewhere and this can be confusing and discouraging.

I'm about to turn 29 and have spent the entirety of my 20s either in University or saving up for it, as I decided I didn't want to be stuck in a meaningless job for the rest of my life. I have recently gained a Master's in Classics and now find myself a bit stuck: I'm educated and desperately want a job that uses my intellect but all my work experience is in admin and customer services.

Having spent a few luckless months trying to get an entry level job in a publishing house, I am now considering taking any job I don't detest and using all my spare time to gain experience in editing and writing. I do have a couple of contacts who are trying to pass some proofreading work my way but I'm not hopeful because I have no experience.

I am willing to do anything I need to get started: voluntary work, taking courses, blogging etc. I would like a career I can fit around my plans to start a family and don't want to find myself stuck in a job just because I need to earn maternity leave.

Right now, I feel I have enthusiasm and the eagerness to work hard but am worried about how to get out of the infuriating circle of having no experience and therefore getting no experience.

9:44 AM, January 08, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like all the others, thank you so much for your not-so-simple answer to a simple question. No, I'm not being sarcastic.

I was a little curious about what your answer to the 43-year-old would be. I'm 42 and my new year's resolution was to find a new career. (My old one is now ended and I have no intent whatsoever to go back to it.)

I stumbled onto copy-editing when I got asked by a hopeful sci-fi author to look over his work. I'm a regular lurker on a publisher's discussion board and had commented on a chapter that had been posted by a published author. (They do that on this site. They post unedited work as they write it. It just has us regular readers of their material drooling even more for it, but I digress...)
I was in heaven. Like one of your other commentors, I've always got a book at hand. For that matter, I'm often working on more than one at a time. When I was in High School, my mom used to comment how great it was that I loved to read so much, but she really wished I spent more time on my homework. However, I knew nothing about copy-editing at the time. It just didn't occur to me that a career field actually existed to do what I loved to do - read endlessly with the actual expectation that I correct any errors I find. I'd rather do fiction novels, but I read just about anything that is available, so...

So, now I find myself looking closer at the field. I'm afraid moving to NYC or any of the other hubs is out for me. Family reasons. I haven't made any steps yet. For now I'm researching the field.

What I have figured out thus far is that I need to get some training on grammar and word-usage. Just going by what I FEEL is right would no longer be enough. I intend to continue working with the hopefuls on the publisher's site, if only to continue to get experience. Maybe I'll even get lucky at some point (I can dream).

Lahela

11:43 AM, February 11, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi!
I'm an aspiring author who wants to get in touch with an aspiring editor who'd like to practice her craft on my work. Any suggestions on how? I could really use some help and should I manage to get published then it's a credit. Could work out well, who knows?

12:07 PM, February 18, 2009  
Anonymous Nicole said...

Jennie, and others who might know,

I have recently been encouraged by a writer friend to consider a career in editing. He has piqued my interest and I am curious but at a loss for where to begin even considering or looking into the field. I do know this: I would want to edit novels, preferably fiction, and the very few resources I have (specifically, one University professor) seem to know only the corporate side of the coin. I could edit professional documents, newspapers, magazines, or journals, but I would likely find myself hating it in short order.

My question is this: what do you know about pursuing literary editing? I know nothing and am not even certain this is what I would like to do, but I am curious.

Thanks so much!

2:15 PM, February 18, 2009  
Blogger jennie said...

Wow. I need to pay more attention to this poor old blog.

d., to respond to some of your questions:

I don't know how things work in the U.S., but here in Canada, a publishing degree per se isn't necessarily an entrée. You'll get better editorial training pursuing a certificate from one of the continuing-education programs, and you need to pick and choose, as the quality of these varies. I would guess it's the same in the States, and the best thing you can do is talk to people who work in publishing and find out where they think you can get good training. Talk to more than one person, too.

As for how to talk to people in publishing, well, the easiest way to get connected is to go where authors and editors are. Work in a bookstore, and get in on the buying. Go to your local small-press fair. Join CE-L (the copyeditors' listserve), or one of the editing communities on LJ, or AbsoluteWrite, but don't innundate those communities with requests for career info -- lurk and listen and participate and ask intelligent questions. If you have to, do an internship. Take seminars on editing and publishing, and ask the instructors if you can take them out for lunch or coffee and pick their brains.

As Teresa says, way up at comment 1, tell everyone that you're looking for a job in publishing: tell your professors, tell your hairstylist, tell your mom's friends, tell your dad's bridge club. You never know when someone will know someone.

And never, never pad your resume. Noticing bullshit is an editorial function.

2:39 PM, February 18, 2009  
Blogger jennie said...

Oh, and d, I was 27 or 28 when I started my editing career, at the very bottom of the career ladder, as an editorial assistant making $14/hr at an educational publisher, 6-month contract, no benefits. That was less than 10 years ago. If I could do it over, I might take that job at the bookstore.

3:01 PM, February 18, 2009  
Blogger jennie said...

Nicole, if you'd like to edit novels, and you're in the States, you probably need to go to NYC. Read Teresa's comment, up at the top of the thread -- she knows a lot more about trade fiction editing than I do.

Because so many people want to work in fiction, you have to be really dedicated to that career path. That bookstore job may help. An internship may help. Certainly an internship would let you see what happens in the literary publishing world, as long as you have some other means of support for however long the internship lasts.

3:04 PM, February 18, 2009  
Blogger jennie said...

Lahela, you're absolutely correct that going by what "feels" right is not good enough for professional copy editing or proofreading. I strongly recommend the correspondence courses at Ryerson University (linked in the body of the article). Most of the instructors for editing courses discuss how to get work, and many are happy to refer strong students to their own clients or contacts. Don't ask them for this, of course. Be excellent, and let them see your excellence.

If you can't do an internship (and I don't recommend them for people who aren't married to the idea of editing trade books, and wish I didn't have to recommend them for people who do want to follow that path), I'd suggest finding out what publishing exists in your area, and what kind of editorial help they use. Ask graphic designers, communications consultants, and anyone else you can find who they work with.

If you're looking to freelance, let everyone in your life know that you're interested in freelance editorial work. Research what the going rates are in your area. See if you can make the acquaintance of other editors. See if you can find a mentor, and set up a mentoring relationship -- for a couple of hours a week you and your mentor can look at your work, and discuss it; maybe they can give you some easy projects to work on.

Starting a new career is a slog at 23 or 43. Good luck!

3:14 PM, February 18, 2009  
Blogger Falling Leaves said...

Hi, I'm sixteen and I think I want to become an editor. I read mainly fiction. I just have a couple of questions:

1) Is offering to edit (or beta-read) on a site like fictionpress.com a good experience, or is it just a waste of time?

2) I happen to be Christian, so I'm wondering if an editing company would mind if I didn't want to be associated (geez that sounds snobby, but you get what I mean) with editing smut, swearing, etc? I have a feeling the answer to this one is probably yes!

3) If you come home from editing all day, are you likely to want to work on your own writing, or would the day's work have completely exhausted you?

Thanks heaps,

Steph

5:20 AM, May 17, 2009  

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